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Tuesday, July 29th, 2008 | Author: Armstrong Survivor

There was a kind of strange touchy-feely session at work today – they gave us all Meyers-Briggs tests and spent a couple of hours helping us understand them. If you’ve never taken one of these tests, it goes into your personality type and how you work with people of other personality types. I’m an ISTJ, according to the test, but I have some elements of INTJ as well.

But the thing that the presenter said that was the most jarring was the difference between T and F. Thinking and Feeling. She put it like… let’s see if I can remember… “This difference is the kind of difference that causes nuclear wars”. She’s being metaphorical, of course, but there’s some truth to that. She said, “This is such a major difference that one type will wonder if the other type is even human“.

And if you think about it, she’s right. And if you think about it further, this is the difference between the religious and atheists – and this is why there will always be both.

Because atheism is about thinking, and religion is about feeling.

I don’t want to hear how you’re religious and your beliefs are well thought out and well reasoned – they are not. You decided what you wanted to believe and you warped the facts to fit. That is because of your “F” side. You are feeling and your thinking side is taking a back door. And to people like me, the “T” side, that looks phenomenally idiotic. But to F’ers, it makes perfect sense.

This is why the battle will never be one. Not by one side, or by the other side. But if neither side can learn to live with the other, well… we might as well just sign our death warrants right now, because that’s not going to end well.

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Tuesday, July 29th, 2008 | Author: AggieAtheist

If there are any unsung lurkers out there who wish to see ISA remain hale and hearty, the only way you can save I Survived Armstrongism is by speaking out and contributing your own stories.

It doesn’t have to be lengthy, it doesn’t necessarily have to have profanity (although if it does we don’t mind), and I will still be popping in from time to time, so I will definitely have a look at the Drafts, and see if any need to be approved. I’m not going to repeat the rules, because the rules are here.

I’m not going to say ISA has been a panacea for my journey out of the church. But a lot of what I’ve posted here really did take the cork out, and let the genie out of the bottle. When I first started posting here, it seemed so fresh, so raw and urgent, even though it was almost a decade and a half ago that I exited the church. I needed to say my piece, to my own satisfaction, and the rest of the world be damned. ISA let me speak freely. It gave me a voice, where before I had none.

Now that I’ve done that, it seems as though I’ve taken a step back from it, mentally at least. It definitely doesn’t have the hold over me that it did even a few weeks ago.

No story is too small or too unimportant. You are important, and you deserve a chance to get it all out, too. You might have to wait a day or a couple of days before your post appears, depending on how often Russ or I are checking in/approving things, but that’s OK isn’t it? After all, just the act of writing it out helps, regardless of whether or not anyone reads it. It did for me at least.

So if you want I Survived Armstrongism to live on and continue helping others to heal, tell the world that you survived Armstrongism too!

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Friday, July 25th, 2008 | Author: Armstrong Survivor

Well, PZ did it.  He took a rusty spike, drove it through a consecrated “host”, through some pages of the Qu’ran, and through some pages of Richard Dawkins’ “The God Delusion” (a very nice touch, as it was a classy way to prove his point that it’s just stuff).

But what’s more interesting are the comments.  2,500 comments, most of them from Catholics who are mighty pissed off that PZ desecrated a cracker.  They’re trying to take his job (not succeeding so far and probably won’t), they’re sending death threats to him involving himself and his kids, one of which resulted in someone innocent getting fired (her husband sent a rather specific death threat from her work account, asshole!), and they’re really, really upset that PZ desecrated the cracker.

If you want to see exactly how stupid people get when they get too involved in a cult, read that thread.

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Friday, July 25th, 2008 | Author: Armstrong Survivor

I haven’t posted in a while, as you all may or may not have noticed.  I haven’t really wanted to, because frankly, I don’t really care all that much anymore.  Maybe a month or two ago I just… stopped caring.  I don’t care what the WCG did or does, I don’t care what Weinland did or does, I don’t care what Flurry did or does.  Yes, there are people in there who could have a better life if they weren’t in there, but you know what?  At least as far as the adults are concerned, it’s Not My Problem, and as far as the children are concerned, well, I would like to do something for them, but in this society of “parents first”, there’s really nothing that can be done, is there.

But I’m not even thinking about it anymore.  I took up biking, and I’m thinking about how to pay bills, or how to get laid, or all sorts of other things.  But not my childhood, not the WCG, and not any of those cretins who fancy themselves to be some kind of bigshots.  Guess what?  I’m over it.

And to you fucking Armstrongites who said “get over it”, don’t you dare gloat – because I got over it in spite of you, not because of you.  You didn’t help at all.  When you weren’t ignoring me, you did your level best to try to stamp me down, to try to denigrate and hurt me, all because you couldn’t cope with the simple truth of what I was saying – <i>you are stupid</i>.  Well, guess what.  You are still stupid.  But I am not.  Not anymore.  But I don’t care anymore about you.  Rot in your stupid beliefs for all I care, you mean nothing to me anymore.  You are just as much flotsam on the sewage of life.  I have no compassion for you anymore, I have no desire to help you to leave, just stay in there and rot.  Because, you know what?  I don’t have to anymore.  And “God helps those who help themselves”, and there’s nothing anyone can do for you until you decide there’s something to be done.

I toyed with shutting this blog down.  I still might.  I shut my other down.  But I think that leaving my posts up may help others for the time being.  But any posts I make in the future probably will be more of the generic “Christians are idiots” variety.

So if this blog helps, cool.  If it doesn’t, fuck off.  If you have anything nasty to say, take your best shot – you’ll only get one.  Otherwise, you now see the tail end of what worked for me to finally get over it, and if it works for you too, well, let me know.  I am open to allowing new conributors if you have something to get off your chest, like Aggie and I did.  It’s very beneficial, and it has the added benefit of pissing off the stupid.

Have a nice life, everyone.  Thanks for the support, or not.

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Friday, July 25th, 2008 | Author: AggieAtheist

Edit July 31 2008: OK apparently Neotherm didn’t mention the post to Martin Kelley. Unfortunately, instead of directly asking me why I made the connection between he and Martin and my earlier remarks, he decided to go whine about it on the AW comments section.

Really Neo, you seem to have caught yourself in a Catch-22 bind here, because not only did you not contact me directly to find out what the deal was, you decided to whine and moan and be all passive-aggressive asshole about it on AW instead. Which is off-topic, on the wrong blog, and I’m surprised that Gavin even let it through.

You are still welcome to contact me, to find out why I incorrectly assumed that you were the one who pointed out my earlier remarks to Martin Kelley, but something tells me you’re just going to persist in being as passive-aggressive as you always were, and not deign yourself to stoop to the level of actually initiating any contact with an atheist.

No, you’re just going to run and whine to the other bible-beaters instead, because they’re the only ones you feel holy enough to have contact with. “Gird up the loins of thy mind” and “be not conformed to this world” and all that nasty stuff after all.

Ah well. C’est la vie. Glad you stopped by ISA anyway.

Well, well, well. Just like in The Godfather “I try to get out, but they keep pullin’ me back in!”

It looks like AW regular “Neotherm” has tipped off the Quaker Police to my post “I Wonder if it Ever Leaves you Part Four”. That has prompted this comment on my post.

Hi Neotherm!!! *wave*

Still beating your New Testament Gospels at whatever poor, “deluded” atheist crosses your path?! :-D

Let us address the commenter however, and not his informant.

Hi Martin,

Welcome to “I Survived Armstrongism”. I would apologize if any of my previous post offended your sensibilities as a practicing Quaker, but that would go against the mandate here at ISA. So, true to form, I will simply say, if you don’t like it, don’t read it. :-) Now to address your comments.

“I’ve had emails back and forth with the liberal Quaker who’s never been to services and she’s got a lot more depth than is readily apparent in the video.”

OK, so here’s my question Martin. If she’s never been to services, does that mean there’s some kind of baptism or initiation ritual that is not general public knowledge? I am not being flip here, I am genuinely interested in an answer. If she’s never attended, if she doesn’t belong to a particular group, then where does she get off saying she is one? And what is her local group’s reaction to her declaring herself “one of them” if she actually isn’t?

As for her depth or lack thereof, YouTube blogging is such that anyone can get their ten minutes’ of fame, but as Sturgeon’s Law indicates, not everybody should. But that’s neither here nor there.

“I started talking up her video on my blog, which is what inspired the prophecy guy, to make his video.”

Full disclosure here. As I have been involved in debunking Ronald Weinland for the better part of the past seven months, you will excuse me, but the rabid enthusiasm of prophecy guy just makes me physically ill.

Between Herbie’s “In our lifetime, brethren!” and Weinland’s “The Great Tribulation started on April 17th 2008! No wait it didn’t! God progressively revealed that I’m an idiot for not stretching it out longer! Reboot! Reboot! Send it in brethren! Reboooooot!” I can authoritatively say that I have had more than enough prophecy to last me for several lifetimes — and since I’m an atheist, I believe this is the only lifetime I’m gonna get.

So yeah I’m full up on the prophecy buffet, thanks, and I really don’t want to ingest any more of that lunacy ever again.

“For eight years I worked w/the equivalent US group to the ones that made the slick videos and I often dress in plain Quaker dress (yes, even on webcam).”

Two points here. The Americans didn’t make any propaganda videos? And should I take your last statement to mean that my off-the-cuff name for “conservative guy” was perhaps misplaced? Hmm. I will take that under advisement.

Or are YOU “conservative guy”?? 8-O

“So what I can say is that all of these people have a great deal of integrity and very clear and well-thought out visions of what it means to be a Quaker.” [Emphasis mine.]

Um. OK. They all know exactly what it means to be Quaker, and they’re obviously all vocal about it.

Here’s the thing, Martin.

None of them agree with each other. At all. Even slightly. Not even remotely.

Or is this a case of the videos I have cited being from each of the three splinter groups that exist? Now that would make sense.

“If I sat down to dinner with you I could explain what the one fellow meant by “conservative” (probably not what you think) and why he plain dresses.”

I’m an atheist. According to the minority and the reception of “non-theist friends” (two of them whose blogs I have been reading semi-regularly have now exited the church, and nontheistfriends.org is virtually never updated and appears to be a wasteland at the moment) in your church, I strongly doubt that you would be inclined to sit down to dinner with me anyway. Not that I mind or anything. Just calling it like I see it.

As for “conservative guy”, his intolerance and blatant bible-beating was more than enough for me to understand “conservative” Quakerism, thanks. The only thing missing is the isolated colony, and the refutation of technology. Or is that next on their agenda?

“I could explain Callid’s enthusiasm for prophecy and how it’s always been an essential part of the Quaker experience.”

Full disclosure time again. The doctrine that Armstrong lifted from his Holiness Quaker parents was just about the only thing left from the church that I hung onto (the agnostic part of my personality at any rate), the holy spirit doctrine (Armstrongism was binitarian).  But let’s address your point, which is new information to me:

“Prophecy is an essential part of the Quaker experience”

?!?!?!

8-O

Seriously?

Wow.

Thanks for the warning. Yeah no, definitely a Very Bad Idea, on my part. Glad I dodged that bullet. 8-O

So, yeah, anyway prophecy: Been there, done that, never did get the kingdom I was promised. But you know what? There’s no kingdom coming. And that’s OK, and I’m OK too, and I don’t need no steeenkin’ prophec-. *ahem* Sorry where was I?

“There are some interesting reasons why Kleo hasn’t made it to meeting…”

I read the blogs listed through the www.quakerquaker.org service fairly regularly. Those “interesting reasons” would be the latent, blatant, and in some cases resistant homophobia the bloggers write about in their local congregations, I take it? Not to mention the elitism issues.

(Funny, there’s this thing in your bible about “that of god in anyone.” A clear-cut case of “Do as I say, not as I do,” I suppose.)

“…and I can guess why the British guy veered awkwardly between kiddie arts and crafts and “separation from the world” language.”

I don’t need to guess why, Martin, because I lived that life. It is called do not be conformed to this world, and quite frankly, it sucks.

At least I can take small comfort in the fact that showing pictures of children happily creating arts and crafts, then blathering on about how you must isolate yourselves from “the world”, will raise warning bells in anyone with more than three functioning brain cells, the slickness of the rest of the propaganda videos notwithstanding.

“So I started attending Quaker meeting–not because I knew or agreed with what Quakers believed but because I had a hunch that they had integrity and that there was something to learn.”

Mystical manipulation? Sacred science? Doctrine over person? (Sorry Martin. I know you won’t see it that way.)

“I don’t know Armstrongism but I’ve had some close friends who grew up in restrictive settings and I have my own bevy of weird childhood stories.”

Be glad you don’t know Armstrongism. Be warned that your last sentence is rather condescending, to one who was born and raised in it.

“I’m sensing that the challenge is getting to know people and understand them without feeling you have to agree or disagree, join or not join.”

Actually you rather missed the point. The reasons I cited here, and in the original post, are why I would NOT want to join your group (nor one of the splinters of your group). At all. Ever. By any stretch of the imagination. And you are not making your church any more appealing with your comments, I will be honest with you.

“Maybe if you can look at people as interesting characters in a novel?”

Again with the condescension! I would much rather look at people as they are, which was the point of my original post, and of this post as well. Something stinks, Martin, and quite frankly, it’s coming from the direction of your religion.

You people say one thing (your bible is beautiful, uplifting, inspiring, and even has room for atheists), but as with all closed high-demand groups, in practice, it is something very very different, indeed. Which the YouTube videos amply proved.

“Anyway, good luck. You’ll be seeing more of my videos up soon–though I suspect I’ll trigger the buh-bye response.”

Condescending and smartass. Looking for a two-for-one deal Martin? I will probably still read the ex-member and nontheist blogs, just to keep an eye on what’s going on. No matter how many “slick videos” your group or the Brits want to try and post up on YouTube, you can’t refute the truth about your religion, it’s being spread all over the Internet.

“Good luck and thanks for the really helpful and honest Quaker media take.”

Glad to be of service. I hope I can also be an early warning system to any ex-members looking to cult-hop into another closed high-demand religious group. Although I know you probably see it differently.

Bye Neotherm! Thanks for stopping by! *wave*

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Friday, July 25th, 2008 | Author: AggieAtheist

If all of the hours of services, sermons, holy days, family days, YES and YOU activities, were magically replaced by these two hours of video, I would be completely exited on my journey out of the church.

Cult Recovery 201

Cult Recovery 202

Highly recommended.

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Sunday, July 20th, 2008 | Author: AggieAtheist

Funny thing, I was in the chat yesterday, and I had to be reminded of something that I otherwise would have known “off the bat”. A lot of the rest of it, too, now seems at one remove. It’s about damn time, considering that I’ve been practically eating, breathing, and sleeping it, for the past few months!

As I said in the comments, it seems to be a gradual incline for the better, instead of an instant transformation type of thing for me. But then, I don’t have a religious conversion added into the mix, so there’s that consideration as well. It does seem to me that a lot of religious ex-members use their religious conversion as a prop, to hold up and say “See? See?! I found Jebus PRAAAAYSE GAWD I’m CURED!” Which, hey, if it works for you that’s great.

Is it completely “gone” for me now? Well no. That’s the point. It IS a part of my history, of our history, and this IS what we lived through. Does it have a hold on me anymore? I don’t think so. Not at the moment anyway. There may be some uhhh “backsliding” to come, but I doubt it. I’ll deal with that when or if it happens.

Integrated. It seems, for the moment, as if my past is integrated with my present, and now it’s time to move forward. I also acknowledge that I could be deluding myself or just spouting wish-fulfillment here. The only way to know that for certain, is to find out.

It certainly doesn’t have the hold on me that it used to. Which is the main thing. Especially considering that I didn’t realize it had a hold on me, for ten years after I exited! But those ten years definitely were not wasted. There are things I would have done differently, but I didn’t and I can’t now, and that’s just the way things are and were.

Over the past few months, the world around me was of a watercolour quality. The only thing that has seemed “real” was the pixels and bits and bytes swarming around on the computer screen. That seemed real, that seemed alive, and the participants in the many discussion boards and forums seemed vibrant and colourful and full of life. The topic at hand seemed immediate and urgent and pressing.

Now that world seems separate. Apart. Distanced. The watercolour world is the one that lives inside my computer.

The grass outside is green, the colours of the flowers are vibrant. The sun is shining, the clouds are blowing lazily across the sky. The traffic hums on the distant road, the tap drips in the kitchen. The neighbour’s new brood of kittens are crawling into anything and everything, mewling away. People are outside, enjoying the beautiful summer weather. A lazy weekend day, in preparation for the bustle of the everyday workweek ahead. It all seems real now, more than it did before.

I rejected the watercolour world before, and threw myself into the world that mattered, the world that called me with urgency and with laughter and tears and understanding. That world is retreating now, and another world is calling me, with peace and laughter and light. It seems real, but not in a sharp, immediate and urgent way, the way the other world was.

This reality beckoning me seems more stable, more neutral. Not wildly swinging from one extreme to another. The world calling me now encompasses everything and everyone, good, bad, and indifferent, all a part of the same symphony. A rich multitude of variety and differences that are all a part of the same fabric of life.

Time for me to reject the watercolour world. Time to embrace the world full of colour and light and life.

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Friday, July 18th, 2008 | Author: AggieAtheist

You know how they say history is written by the victors? Well here’s a version of history the CoG7 pretty much vehemently denies. That’s right folks, it’s Youth Educational Services’ Youth Bible Lesson, Level 9, Lesson 11, “The History of God’s Church Part 3″. The preceding two parts covered, respectively, the old and new testaments. Fast-forward 1900 years later, and what do we have?

ABOUT OUR COVER . . .

God’s Church came to America in 1671 when a congregation was founded in Newport, Rhode Island. Photo by John Halford.

God’s Church began on the day of Pentecost in A.D. 31. It has survived through centuries of persecution. Remember, Jesus Christ said, “I will build my church; and the gates of hell [the grave] shall not prevail against it.” (Matthew 16:18)

Note the interjected “translation” in brackets. “hell” here was re-translated by Armstrong as “the grave”, because WCG did not believe in hell, it was the Lake of Fire and the second death in the Third Resurrection you had to try and avoid.

Of course, now that they’re shiny happy clappy Jebus bible-beaters, we’re all gonna fry in eternal torment. Something tells me they should at least have kept the less intimidating version, instead, but that wouldn’t have been toeing the party line with their criminially “christian” brothers like Hank (”the postal fraudster”) Hanegraaf. But I digress.

There would never be a time when God did not have His people on the earth. But Jesus also said that His Church would be a “little flock” (Luke 12:32). It was not to be large, but it has survived.

Oh yes, gawd’s troo church, the special chosen elect of gawd. Otherwise known as milieu control.

In our last lesson we traced the history of God’s Church to the Middle Ages, in what the Bible calls the Thyatira era. In this lesson we will learn how God continued to preserve His true Church, and how the Church developed in Britain and later America.

GOD’S CHURCH IN THE MIDDLE AGES

Perhaps at no other time in history was the Church of God more persecuted than in the Middle Ages—from the A.D. 400s until the A.D. 1400s. No one knows how many people were killed just because they were not members of the official state religion.

Same thing with WCG. No one knows how many people were killed, just because they adhered to the healing doctrine.

God’s people lived in small villages in the mountains of southeastern Europe for much of the sixth to ninth centuries. Then persecution drove them into the heartland of Europe. Small groups of true believers lived in northern Italy, Switzerland and the south of France.

Bzzzzzzt! But thank you for playing Revisionist History 101. I’ll take False Church Doctrine for $200, Alex.

Through the A.D. 1100s, the true Gospel was preached by men such as Peter of Bruys, Henri of Laussane and Arnold of Bresca. One of the most influential men of the true Church who began to preach the gospel was Peter Waldo.

Bzzzzzzt! Where’s Waldo?

Members of the Church of God were sometimes known by the names of men who were their leaders.

Which is why remaining Church of God splinter groups are known today as “Armstrongists”. Don’t ever say that within earshot of one though. Take it from me.

When you study Church history, you will often discover more about these people by looking up titles such as Petrobrusians, Henricians, Arnoldists, and Waldenses.

Throughout the 1100s, various religious groups grew. This growth was so great that in the early A.D. 1200s, Innocent III began an attack against them. The purpose of this attack was to find those who followed any way other than the state religion.

Bzzzzzzzt!! Can you say “the great whore of babylon” fear-mongering boys and girls?

To believe differently was considered “heresy”.

However, there’s a scripture, something about a splinter and a beam, that they left out at this juncture.

People who believed differently were punished by being put in prison, having their property taken and even being beaten to death.

You know, I always wondered why Herbie didn’t take the opportunity to have Basil lovingly render the Spanish Inquisition. If we weren’t already fear-mongered enough of the bad old RCC, that would have nailed the lid on the coffin, right there.

These were trying times for anyone in God’s Church. But God continued to preserve and protect His people. They hid in the valleys and in the mountains, waiting for a time of peace and happiness. Their ultimate goal was not this world, but the wonderful World Tomorrow.

Yup. Always look ahead, never look around you, and before you know it your life will be over. Unfortunately for the true believers, there’s nothing beyond this life, and there’s doubly-certain no kingdom coming, so all the years you wasted waiting for one are just that, wasted.

Try and use what little time you have left to make amends, why don’t you?

THE CHANGING TIMES

Many changes occurred in the 15th century. God was coming to prepare the world for the Work of his Church.

In the mid 1400s, Johann Gutenberg, a German printer, invented a printing press with movable type. Information could now be spread to a greater number of people. The world would begin to change rapidly.

After three hundred years or so, once literacy actually became widespread.

In the early 1500s, Martin Luther started the Protestant Reformation. He was followed by John Calvin in Switzerland and John Knox in Scotland. Also, King Henry VIII began the Protestant Church of England.

Don’t know how accurate any of that is. Sounds like it was lifted from the Compendium of World History, if you ask me. Oh, and it’s “the Anglican Church”, not “the Protestant Church of England”. They get a little funny around the ears when you call it that……

Persecuted Christians in Europe sought religious freedom in America in the early 1600s.

Anybody seen the M. Night Shyamalan movie The Village??

The early pilgrims who settled in New England, and the Quakers who came to Pennsylvania, paved the way for God’s Church to become established in the New World.

Mystical manipulation anyone? Just because Herbie was born into a Quaker family, doesn’t mean the Quakers had anything to do with his little cash-cow enterprise. Oh, and by the way, the early Armstrongs were “Holiness Quakers” — the Pentecostal kind. And I don’t mean just the kind who refused to see doctors, I mean the “Toronto Blessing” kind of Pentecostal Quakers. Yeah, I didn’t know they existed, either.

INFLUENTIAL REFORMERS

In the mid 1300s, a man named John Wycliffe made a great impact on the Christian world. He was one of the leading scholars at Oxford University. Although part of the official state religion, Wycliffe saw the need to reform certain practices of that church.

Like the witch hunts for example?

One of his greatest contributions was a translation of the Bible into English. The earliest manuscripts of the Bible were in the Hebrew and Greek languages.

The earliest manuscripts accepted by the Nicene Council were. The very earliest-known manuscripts of the christian texts are in Coptic, and they are known today as the Nag Hammadi library.

What’s that? The church never taught us about the Nag Hammadi? That’s strange, considering that the Systematic Theology Project from the ’70s referred to the epistle of Barnabas extensively.

Oh, but the STP was never supposed to be read by lay-members anyway, and it was waaaaaaaay too lenient.

The Bible had also been translated into Latin, which was the officially accepted version in the state church. Wycliffe’s translation would allow the Bible to be understood by the common people who only knew English.

These early Wycliffe Bibles were used by the Puritans.

THE REFORMS OF MARTIN LUTHER

Martin Luther, a Catholic scholar, became disillusioned with certain practices of the Catholic priesthood. …. Luther’s beliefs eventually led to the establishment of the churches now called Lutheran.

John Calvin led a reform movement in Switzerland. The Protestant movement he founded became the Presbyterian and Reform churches. Presbyterianism was also established in Scotland in the mid 1500s by John Knox. The Church of England was established during the reigns of Henry VIII and Elizabeth I. It is also called the Anglican Church. In America it is also called the Episcopal church.

That was the in 80s. Apparently there is now a split between the Anglicans and the Episcopalians. But that’s not the key thing to take away from this passage. These few short paragraphs are, near the end of the YES Youth Bible Lessons curriculum, the ONLY comparative religion studies that were provided to children of the church. Other than Alexander Hislop’s “Two Babylons” bunk, of course.

That’s right, we didn’t know which end was up. I’ve tried doing some comparative reading on the various christian religious branches out there in the world today, but my head just swims. Talk about swallowing a camel. At least studying different religious systems is easier, you can mostly keep them all straight.

After the Reformation, the Christian world was much different than it had been. God’s true Church, however, was not a part of the Protestant Reformation.

As the Church Lady would say, “How conVEEEEEENient.”

God’s people were never a part of the Roman church, and they were not among those who had broken away from that church.

Bzzzzzzzzzzt!! Revisionist History 101 revisited yet again. The Church of God 7th Day, which was the unfortunate progenitor of Herbie’s demon-spawn money-maker, as well as the Seventh-Day Adventists, WERE breakaway sects from a descendant of “the Roman church”, the Methodists. I’ll take False Church History for $800, Alex.

THE CHURCH IN HOLLAND AND ENGLAND

Near the end of the Thyatira era, the fourth era of God’s Church, a Waldensian preacher named Walter went to Holland, and later to England, preaching the Gospel. This was in the early 1300s. Walter became known as Walter the Lollard—later shortened to Walter Lollard. The name Lollard later became associated with the people of God’s Church.

But not all Lollards were a part of the Church of God. The name Lollard was also applied to the followers of John Wycliffe.

Where’s Walter? Lollardy, from Wikipedia:“It taught the concept of the “Church of the Saved”, meaning that Christ’s true Church was the community of the faithful, which overlapped with but was not the same as the official Church of Rome. It taught a form of predestination. It advocated apostolic poverty and taxation of Church properties. It also denied transubstantiation in favour of consubstantiation.”

It “overlapped with…the official Church of Rome”?!? Good ol’ boy Herman must have overlooked that bit of research, when he slapped the Lollards into the Compendium of World History According to Doctorless Hoeh. I wouldn’t have wanted to admit too loudly I was related to the Lollards when I was in the church, that’s for sure! But then, I wouldn’t have been doing any independent reading about the Lollards anyway, so it’s a moot point.

The Waldenses, Lollards, and some other groups of the 15th century were sometimes known by the name Anabaptist. Anabaptist means “one who is rebaptized.” This came from their practice of rebaptizing adults who had been baptized as infants. This is one doctrine that we find throughout the centuries in the Church of God—the practice of baptizing only mature adults who understand the meaning of repentance.

And if you didn’t, six months of ministerial counselling would have it browbeaten into your head.

Another name associated with the Church of God during this time is Sabbatarians. This comes from the fact that the Church of God observed the seventh-day Sabbath. But those who were part of God’s Church called themselves the Church of God.

In English. Again, how convenient.

After the development of various Protestant groups in Europe, God’s people were able to more safely establish congregations. There are records of at least 11 Sabbatarian Churches of God in England during the early part of the 1600s. Three of these were in London.

Yup. Splits, splinters, and “the one trooooooo church” is built-in to the closed high-demand religious system from the get-go!

In 1611, during the reign of King James I, the Bible was translated into another English version. This is the most commonly used translation of the Bible today. We call it the Authorized or King James Bible.

This was the ’80s, as I say, so long before the “KJV-Only” lunacy started rearing its ugly head.

Even though tensions were lessened because of the Reformation, God’s people continued to be persecuted by others, including the Protestants. There was also persecution of other religious groups such as French Huguenots, Quakers, and Puritans. These all suffered because of their religious beliefs.

Then there were the Muslims, the Hindus, and the Buddhists, who were pretty much colonized, overthrown, and attempted to be wiped out. And don’t even get me started on the aboriginal indigenous peoples who were nearly obliterated (along with their animistic worldviews) thanks to “the Enlightenment”.

But you won’t find any of that in Hoopla Hoeh’s grand opus.

THE CHURCH OF GOD IN AMERICA

It is difficult to place exact dates on the eras of the Church of God as they are revealed in the second and third chapters of Revelation.

Funny Herbie, that never stopped you from placing exact dates on the eras of the Church of God as they are revealed in the second and third chapters of Revelation before. This YES lesson is revisionist history of course. “We never set dates brethren!” Yeah right.

We do know that the apostles lived during the Ephesian era. During the time of the Ebionites, covered in a previous lesson, it was probably the Smyrna era. And in the days of the Paulicians and the Bogomils, the Pergamos era. When Peter of Bruys, Peter Waldo, Walter Lollard and others preached the truth, it was the era of Thyatira.

From the mid 1500s to the early 1600s, we make a transition into the next era of God’s Church. Shortly before the Church of God came to America, we enter the time symbolized in the third chapter of Revelation as the Sardis era.

“And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that livest, and art dead.” (Revelation 3:1).

In the early 1600s, one major hope seemed possible—religious freedom in the New World.

Many of those who came to the New World were seeking freedom from religious oppression in England and Europe.

And seeking to impose their own oppression on their hapless members. But let us continue with the revisionist history shall we?

Not only Puritans and Quakers, but Methodists, Baptists, Anabaptists and even Catholics came to America seeking religious freedom.

The influence of the English translation of the Bible and the Protestant Reformation also helped produce a new era of religious freedom.

Among those seeking religious freedom in the New World were small groups of Sabbath keepers. In 1664, a Sabbath keeper named Stephen Mumford arrived in Rhode Island. He founded a congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, in 1671. That’s the earliest record we have of the establishment of the Church of God in America.

And if Stephen Mumford had never come to Rhode Island and set up the CoG7, Loma wouldn’t have gotten sucked in, and Herbie wouldn’t have seen dollar signs, and none of us would be sitting where we are today, as children of the church.

Somebody want to ring Dr. Who? We could really use a TARDIS right about now. “The Assassination of Mr. Mumford.” It would be foolproof!

Sorry. Where was I?

Several other Sabbath-keeping congregations were raised up in the colonies of the New World. They were basically along the eastern coast until after the American Revolution in 1776.

By the mid 1800s, Sabbath keepers sent missionaries throughout the world. Sabbath-keeping congregations were raised up in the Phillipines, Mexico, Central and South America, India, Indonesia and China. Most of these congregations were small, but there was an attempt to preach the Gospel to the world.

In the early 1800s, various disputes arose among the Sabbath-keeping groups. Some did not want to be called Sabbatarians or follow the teachings of the Church. They decided to officially organize under a different name. In 1818, one group adopted the name Seventh-Day Baptist. However, the Sabbath-keepers who did not join the Seventh-Day Baptist movement continued to use the name Church of God.

You see? It’s a long-standing tradition for Churches of God to squabble and bicker and fight and splinter and split amongst themselves. ‘94 wasn’t the first time, and I’m sure 2008 won’t be the last. (What, it’s LCG that’s threatening to split again now isn’t it?)

THE ADVENTISTS

One belief of the Church of God is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Another word for “coming’ is advent. Because of that belief, some Sabbath-keeping churches began using the name Church of God (Adventist).

In the 1840s, a man named William Miller had become convinced the Sabbath was God’s day of worship. But in his studies of prophecy, he mistakenly thought the world was going to end in 1844. He based this on a misunderstanding of the prophecy in Daniel 8 about the 2,300 morning and evening sacrifices.

“In the 1930s, a man named Herbert W. Armstrong had become convinced the Sabbath was God’s day of worship. But in his studies of prophecy, he mistakenly thought the world was going to end in 1975. He based this misunderstanding on the prophecy in Daniel 12 about the “time, times, and half a time”, or the one thousand, three hundred and thirty five days.”

There, fixed that passage.

Christ did not come in 1844 and the world did not end. By this time William Miller had been joined by James and Ellen White. They still believed in the coming or advent of Jesus Christ,  but they could not agree with other principles of the Church of God.

In the 1860s, the followers of William Miller and the Whites officially called themselves Seventh-Day Adventists. Ellen G. White was regarded as a prophetess of the church. In the course of time, the Seventh-Day Adventist church has become one of the largest Sabbath-keeping churches in North America.

But neither the Seventh-Day Adventists nor the Seventh-Day Baptists continued in all the true teachings of God. Throughout this time the members of the true Church continued to call themselves the Church of God.

This is as close as an explanation as you’re ever going to get, as to why the splinters insist on retaining “CoG” in their wacky names.

THE CHURCH OF GOD (SEVENTH DAY)

About the time the Seventh-Day Adventist church was established in the early 1860s, the Church of God began to publish a paper that later was called The Bible Advocate. It was produced at a small publishing house in Battle Creek, Michigan. The publishing operations were later moved to Marion, Iowa, and in the late 1880s to Stanberry, Missouri.

The BAR was heretic material, and banned for reading, by members of gawd’s troooo church. Quite a few ex-members read it now, though I can’t imagine why they would want to.

During the pioneering days of America, as peoples moved west, Sabbath-keeping congregations were raised up in Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas and on westward.

In the early 1900s, the Church of God was headquartered at Stanberry, Missouri. One of the leading ministers in the Church at this time was Andrew N. Dugger. He had become editor of the Church’s paper, The Bible Advocate. Andrew Dugger wanted to have an educated ministry and hoped to start a college in Stanberry. But because of World War I, plans were set aside. Later, a school was established in Stanberry, but Dugger’s plans of having a college never came about.

He fomented the idea for Herbie though, unfortunately enough.

The 1920s were growth years for the Church of God. Congregations were established all the way to the West Coast. Sabbath-keeping congregations were being established in other parts of the world.

In 1923, at a general conference of the Church of God in Stanberry, a decision was made to use a single name for the Church of God. There had been a variety of titles attached to the name of God’s Church.

“Cult”. “Closed high demand religious group”. “Legalists”. “Repressive authoritarian tin-plated despotic little dictators”. Oh, sorry, you meant organizational names? What was I thinking?

The most commonly known name had been Church of God (Adventist).

The general conference in 1923 decided to officially adopt the name Church of God (Seventh Day). Also, there was an unsuccessful attempt to unite the Church of God (Seventh Day) with the Seventh-Day Baptists.

Good thing too, or the church might have been clap-happy hand-waving Pentecostals a full three generations earlier than it turned out to be!

In 1924, an official California conference of the Church of God (Seventh Day) was organized. Then later, in the 1920s, the Church of God (Seventh Day) established congregations with ministers in the state of Oregon.

And things only went downhill from there…….

AN IMPORTANT BIRTH

Several years before the Church of God congregations were established in Oregon, a significant birth took place in the summer of 1892.

Well, as significant as an incipient pontiff without portfolio could be considered to be…..

In Des Moines, Iowa, Mr. and Mrs. Horace Armstrong became parents for the first time. They named their son Herbert.

Herbert Armstrong grew up with a reasonably normal childhood. He had the normal education of any young boy growing up in the late 1800s and early 1900s. His family attended the Quaker church.

The Holiness Quakers was what Armstrong lifted the Holy Spirit as a power, a generative force, breath, wind, etcetera, from.

At age 18, Mr. Armstrong conducted a self-analysis survey from a book he read in the public library called Choosing a Vocation. His study showed that he would be most successful in the profession of journalism and advertising.

I note that this turn-of-the-last-century “What Colour is Your Parachute” did NOT tell Herbie that he would be most successful in the profession of false prophecy and oppressive religious fear-mongering. But that would have probably been a little too prescient.

For many years Mr. Armstrong gained valuable experience in the field of advertising and journalism. Little did he realize that this experience would later be used by God.

“Little did he realize that he could later use the concept of God to parlay this experience into a money-making machine that would last him right up until he died.”

In January of 1917, Mr. Armstrong met Loma Dillon. They were married in July of that same year and lived happily together until Mrs. Armstrong died just a few weeks before their 50th wedding anniversary.

She died due to her husband refusing her adequate medical care. Immediately afterwards, Armstrong then sent out a plea to his church, claiming they had basically killed her (because they hadn’t prayed hard enough, not because he had refused to let her be treated by a doctor), and urged them to send those tithes in, to make up for their murder.

But you won’t find that in the YES lessons. That’s too gory for even Basil to illustrate.

Through the next several years, Mr. Armstrong worked in a variety of businesses, mostly in advertising. After a series of successes came a string of failures. God was humbling him.

Unfortunately ol’ Herbie never quite got humbled enough. More the opposite, I would say.

PROVING THE SABBATH

During the summer of 1924, Mr. and Mrs. Armstrong loaded up a Model-T Ford and headed west to Oregon.

The beginning of the apocalypse that was to be all of our lives.

Mr. Armstrong continued in the field of advertising and began to build accounts in Oregon and Washington.

In Oregon, Mrs. Armstrong befriended a neighbor lady who encouraged her to more actively study the Bible. To her amazement, Mrs. Armstrong discovered God’s Sabbath day was not Sunday as she had believed.

In other words, poor, dumb Loma, got sucked in by the cult of the CoG7, without which none of what followed would have happened as it did. Where the FUCK is that TARDIS?!?! “Neighbor lady” and her CoG7 congregation needs a visit from the Daleks!

She excitedly hurried home to tell her husband. But Mr. Armstrong did not meet this news with great joy. He thought his wife had gone into religious fanaticism.

She had. Unfortunately, Herbie eventually did see the light, and decided to milk Loma’s newfound cult connections for every penny he could get.

Mr. Armstrong then reasoned that all churches who kept Sunday couldn’t be wrong. Shocked and angered, Mr. Armstrong set out to prove his wife’s newfound fanaticism wrong.

If only Herbie had managed to cobble up a proof-text that proved Sunday instead. Maybe then he would have stuck to failing at various businesses, until he died in obscurity.

I called for that TARDIS an hour ago, and it still hasn’t shown up. Well can’t rely on the Doctor, anyway. Probably not even the Master could take Herbie out.

In the fall of 1926, Mr. Armstrong set out to study the Bible in depth [as proof-texted by the CoG7] for the first time in his life. As he began his studies, Mr. Armstrong asked the most basic questions of all. Does God exist? Is the Bible the true and inspired Word of God? These questions led to a thorough study of the theory of the evolution and the inspiration of the Bible [through the theological blinders of the CoG7].

Weeks went by, then months. Mr. Armstrong, to his amazement, kept finding things he had never heard before. [Until Loma talked about the thought-reform the CoG7 was doing on her.] He searched in vain to find authority for keeping Sunday as the day of Christian worship. Instead, he proved that Saturday was the Sabbath day. He also proved the existence of God and that the Bible was His inspired Word.

Now if only Herbie had done a little extra-biblical reading, instead of confining himself to the one book, he would have come to a different conclusion. But that wasn’t to be.

God had now brought Mr. Armstrong to a point in his life where he was broken in spirit, broken down.

All pause for the sound of catcalls and raucous laughter. Rather, Armstrong, was starting to see dollar signs, and the possibility that he might just be able to get on as a minister with the CoG7, and solve some of his job security and income stability issues. And keep the little woman happy while he was at it.

And in the course of his studies, Mr. Armstrong discovered the necessity to be baptized.

But where was God’s true Church?

FINDING THE CHURCH OF GOD

We now bring the two parts of our story together. The life and preparation of Mr. Armstrong brought him in contact with those few people of the Church of God who were keeping God’s commandments.

Mr. Armstrong found a small group [of suckers] who called themselves the Church of God, with their publishing house at Stanberry, Missouri. He began to fellowship with [groom for poaching] some of their scattered members in the Willamette Valley, near Eugene, Oregon.

Several articles were published in The Bible Advocate.

But in the summer of 1928, filled with enthusiasm over discovering the Sabbath covenant, he spoke to [began to lust after the tithes of] the small congregation with whom they were fellowshipping.

MR. ARMSTRONG IS ORDAINED

Because of his work and service in the Church [and because they didn't realize he was a ticking bomb, waiting to go off], in 1931 Mr. Armstrong was ordained by the Oregon conference of the Church of God. This was 1900 years from the date Christ founded his Church through the New Testament apostles in A.D. 31.

Apparently Herbie was one of a half-dozen or so ordained at the same conference. What about the rest of them? Never saw the filthy lucre potential in the charlatan business, I guess.

A transition was now taking place in the Church of God. God was beginning to reveal truths to Mr. Armstrong from His Word. But the Sardis era was fading.

Funnily enough, the “Sardisian” Church of God (Seventh Day) is still going fairly strong, right up to the present day. Which is more than can be said for our pontiff without portfolio’s schizophrenic splinters, splits and schisms, now isn’t it?

Mr. Armstrong began to hold new campaigns not far from Eugene, Oregon. At the end of these campaigns, a small Church was raised up, and the Philadelphia era of the Church of God had begun.

Then there’s a bunch of isn’t-it-miraculous, the broadcast and the PT started up history.

A COLLEGE FOUNDED

Mr. Armstrong discovered after holding successful campaigns that those who were called and converted need a  minister to guide them [to send the money in]. But there was no trained ministry.

That’s the official story, and that Armstrong “stepped out in faith” buying the property in Pasadena. The real truth of the matter is, his earlier predictions of Armageddon coming about after or as a result of, WWII, never came to pass, and things were getting a little hot for him in OR. So he hied up and away to the sunny shores of California. Anyway, there are a few more paragraphs about the great and wonderful AC, &c., &c.

The fascinating and exciting story of Church history shows how God has directed and guided His people throughout time to do the Work He has called them to do. For many centuries, the Work of the Church of God was to preserve the name and truth of God.

We have been given a great commission, not only to preserve the truth of God, but to publish a warning message throughout the world. That Work is now being done through the leaders God has chosen, and their supporters who make up the Worldwide Church of God.

BIBLE MEMORY

Psalm 1:1-6

(See also Blessed and Happy is the Man.)

Now where in the flying fucking hell is that TARDIS?!

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Friday, July 18th, 2008 | Author: AggieAtheist

It’s not for nothing they used to say Herbie was our Pope! All of the photos below have been taken from levels 7, 8, and 9, of the Youth Educational Services’ Youth Bible Lessons. Please bear in mind that the target audience of these lessons would have been between nine and fourteen years of age. And do remember, these are supposed to be bible lessons these pictures were in.

Can you say “pontiff without portfolio” boys and girls?

This one was a cover shot of one of the lessons.

Yet another one of those tithes-funded Steuben Crystal-purchased photo ops.

The poor Belgian king is looking at Herbie as though he has absolutely no idea why his PR people have arranged a photo-op with this little man.

Nice desk Herbie! Too bad you forgot to mention who paid for it!!

No, you’re not imagining things, the desk did get bigger. A sign “the work” was “growing”?

Actually, “Paul” never existed. But if he had, his excuse would have been the voices in his head. What was Herbie’s excuse? The money in his hand, that just kept coming in, hand over fist.

Another cover shot of our Pontiff Without Portfolio. Remember, these are youth bible lessons, or that’s what they called them, anyway. Check the caption: Fundamental Doctrines of God’s Church. Gawd’s Way is the Way of Give! As evidenced by the desk in this picture which, yes, has gotten bigger again.

Ah-HA, a picture from the early years. This actually came out of a lesson that’s going to get a thorough going-over, ISA-style, in a minute.

Count those tithes Herbie! The picture is black and white, so you can’t tell that they’re yellow envelopes.

I’m sorry, what was that about the bible again? Oh right, bible jigsaw, church ages, isn’t our Apostle just the very coolest, grooviest, bestest of the best?! /sarcasm

But don’t EVER say he’s our Pope. Those were fighting words. Literally! :roll:

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Friday, July 18th, 2008 | Author: AggieAtheist
Main Entry:
veri·si·mil·i·tude
Pronunciation:
\-sə-ˈmi-lə-ˌtüd, -ˌtyüd\
Function:
noun
Etymology:
Latin verisimilitudo, from verisimilis verisimilar, from veri similis like the truth
Date:
circa 1576
1 : the quality or state of being verisimilar 2 : something verisimilar
veri·si·mil·i·tu·di·nous \-ˌmi-lə-ˈtüd-nəs, -ˈtyüd-; -ˈtü-də-nəs, -ˈtyü-\ adjective

The YES lessons were not just brother Basil’s “delightfully horrifying” domain, however. In the later levels, notably from level 8 onwards, the YES began incorporating photos into their lessons. You know the cliche a picture is worth a thousand words? Well get a gander at some of these ones. Pay careful attention to the captions.

That’s right. Just like the rules for volleyball, track and field, and basketball, we had to follow “the rules” of gawd’s way of life.

Otherwise known as “know your place”, if you were unfortunate enough to be a woman or a child, in the church.

Nothing by mouth. Note the wife reading the YES lesson to the fussing toddler, while the father lays down the law to the boy.

“Do not be conformed to this world. — Just look how disgusting, filthy, and horrible it is!!”

There’s not really much I need to say about this picture, is there? Talk about your bible freakin’ jigsaw!

Another one in the same vein, that I missed on the first pass through the lessons.

This is ultimately what it all really came down to, in the church. And that’s the “true truth”!!

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